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Just to let everyone know, the under GOd bit is hardly tradition. It was added in the 50s. So what the hell. I say if you don't want to say under God, then don't. But seriously, say the pledge. A lot of people died under that flag giving you what you have today. It's the least you could do.
Eisenhower obviously had no sense of rhythm, or else he wouldn't have added that phrase in the first place. With the phrase "under God" in it, it is very awkward to say - it adds unnecessary pauses.
What do I know, though, I'm only a musician.
I don't even say the pledge anyway, yet alone stand for it.
I'm no nationalist.
i believe in a polytheistic religion and i say it. nobody is forced to say the pledge. i don't think "under god " needs to be taken out. it doesn't make a major difference even when it does get taken out. i agree with armando, our nation has other religions also.
The Pledge of Allegiance can say whatever the hell it wants to, as long as kids aren't forced to say it.
At my school, we are expected to stand. If our religious beliefs prevent us from standing (JW, etc...), we have to bring in a note to our teacher signed by a parent. I stand, and say it, but I omit the 'under God' part. For everyone out there who says it's no big deal, and no one even thinks about it, I think about it every day. 86% of the American population believes in God, but what about the other 14%? I just don't think it's very fair that our country pretends to be tolerant of every religion, when it's really just every religion under "God"(Christian, Catholic, Baptist, etc.). I agree with most, that it's not a tradition because it was included during WWII. Most think that it's not a big deal becuse kids arn't forced to say it, but it does have an affect on those who think about it every day.
“What is it, what nameless, inscrutable, unearthly thing is it; what cozening, hidden lord and master, and cruel, remorseless emperor commands me?” - Ahab - From Moby Dick
I am an atheist, saying "under God" wouldn't really bother me. Just the principle of the Pledge itself is what bothers me. NOBODY should ever HAVE to say it. (Think about it: being forced to pledge allegiance to your country? A bit totalitarian, eh? Very... 1984.) I know it is not being forced but I cannot in my right mind and good conscience say the pledge to a country I'm absolutely not loyal to (I don't agree with most things done here.)
charolastra wrote:I am an atheist, saying "under God" wouldn't really bother me. Just the principle of the Pledge itself is what bothers me. NOBODY should ever HAVE to say it. (Think about it: being forced to pledge allegiance to your country? A bit totalitarian, eh? Very... 1984.) I know it is not being forced but I cannot in my right mind and good conscience say the pledge to a country I'm absolutely not loyal to (I don't agree with most things done here.)
"The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?
Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all.."
source: http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm
Your not giving your allegiance to one president or policy, your giving allegiance to the idea of one democratic nation where people have the freedom to be what they want to be.
[=Book Antiqua]"If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer
"The average American has the general historical awareness of a tree slug." - E.M. Whitaker
“I like pigs. Dogs look
And where people have the freedom to say what the want to say. No one should be forced to say it, or be punished for not saying it. That's America. Not everyone has to give allegiance to America.
And really, I wouldn't have it any other way.
i dont think it offends anybody, i think some people just like complaining and people try to sue for anything these days
:confused: nick:
There are flags in almost every room in our school but we don't have to say the "Pledge of Alligence" I am a patriot but I still don't think that people should have to say any of it if they don't want to, that is part of being American. But it should still be an option for people, and if the "under God" part offends then, well then they don't have to say it. Really is it that hard?
I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I certainly didn't mean to.
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