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I would like to know everyone's views on the president's speech and what they think should happen; should the troops move on in or should the iraqi deal with it themselves?
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We are in Iraq, we have to finish what we started, agree with the war or not. If we leave now, we are just inviting another 9/11. We are asking for more people to hate us.
The reason that 9/11 occurred in the first place was because Bin Laden was mad at us for leaving the first war in Afghanistan*. Had we stayed and helped rebuild Afghanistan now, we would not be where we are today.
*Here I am referring to when the Soviet Union went into Afghanistan and we supported Al-Queda and Afghanistan. After the Soviet Union was defeated with our help and the Afghan government also destroyed, we simply left the country, having nothing to do with them until 9/11/01
I agree with What. Although I wish the troops had never gone there in the first place, it would be a huge mistake to back out now. You can't just go in, overthrow the dictator, suggest a new way of government, and say "See ya! I know you're country is in worse shape than it was and you're government's unstable, but eh, it's your problem now..." We're pretty much stuck there. We have been for a few years and will be there for years to come. You'd think we'd learn from the past and yet...
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Kudos to Bush in uniting the Iraqis against us.
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Effervescent wrote:Kudos to Bush in uniting the Iraqis against us.
You are mistaken, they are not united against us. It depends on which part of the country you go to. Some are very receptive and welcoming while others are littearly trying to kill us.
I didn't mean Iraq as a whole.
Before, Iraq consisted of so many factions there was very little unity if at all. Now they have found a reason to come together--ironically like the colonists did in the past against Britain.
It always angers me when I hear on the news about a 'mysterious murder'. Em, what the heck do you think you're doing??
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Effervescent wrote:
Before, Iraq consisted of so many factions there was very little unity if at all. Now they have found a reason to come together--ironically like the colonists did in the past against Britain.
After Saddam took power and started to exercise his iron first, there was a lot of posed "unity" among the people. They did not neccessiarly agree with what was happening, but unity was forced. It was unite with us, or die against us.
The United States faces an unpleasant choice. It is almost certain that a withdrawl will result in a lot of violence in the region.
However, the continued US presence there is causing the US to essentially slow-bleed power: Military power, political power, even economic power. As well, our continued presence in the midst of such chaos is going to fuel hatred for the US far more than withdrawing would (since it is by definition far longer term).
The only real solution the US has right now is to treat Iraq like a protectorate: Declare martial law, dissolve the Iraqi government, secure the borders, impose a curfew, begin directly rebuilding Iraq, and integrate Iraq strongly into the global capitalist economy, and then (after a period of perhaps 10-30 years) set it free after capitalism has taken root.
Of course, this will not happen. Thus, I believe the United States needs to withdraw.
If we stay 10-30 years in Iraq, we aren't there helping. That would be looked at by the global community as occupation.
What wrote:If we stay 10-30 years in Iraq, we aren't there helping. That would be looked at by the global community as occupation.
That is because it would be occupation :) Basically, though, occupation is the only way I can see this even having the potential to go well. Without it, Iraq continues to spiral into chaos.
Occupation would not go well at all. Not only would there be other Middle Eastern countries that would, more than likely, declare war on us, but the rest of our current allies would have, and already are, pulled out. The rest of the Middle East and the majority of our allies want us out. Iraq itself is split.
We have to finish what we continued, but it has to be quick.