heh, our class just had a debate on it, anyways, what do you guys think? Who had the better vision for america - Jefferson or Hamilton?? please support ideas - heh, that sounds so teacher-ish but it's pretty interesting when people actually provide their rationale.
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Jefferson cares about farming for he is a romantic, hamilton is the real thing, he is ahead of his time, he would have made america beter than it is today if it wasn't for danm republicans and their bs. Hamilton is the buisness man that wanted to make US rich, and rich is what you want; while jefferson lagged in the 16th century notmoving forward and not keeping up with england, that is why US blew WWI unlike England. Jefferson is South, Hamilton is North. North is more important than south. If only republican's would have waited for federalists to stabalize US, they would have been useful for a change, and even then republicans did everything federalists planned. Look at all the "federalist" type of countries today, they all float on oil and thus are rich nad have a good time. Being rich bring god living, that is what Hamilton wanted, that is what jefferson opposed, that is why Hamilton owns Jeff.
E.U. wrote:Jefferson cares about farming for he is a romantic, hamilton is the real thing, he is ahead of his time, he would have made america beter than it is today if it wasn't for danm republicans and their bs. Hamilton is the buisness man that wanted to make US rich, and rich is what you want; while jefferson lagged in the 16th century notmoving forward and not keeping up with england, that is why US blew WWI unlike England. Jefferson is South, Hamilton is North. North is more important than south. If only republican's would have waited for federalists to stabalize US, they would have been useful for a change, and even then republicans did everything federalists planned. Look at all the "federalist" type of countries today, they all float on oil and thus are rich nad have a good time. Being rich bring god living, that is what Hamilton wanted, that is what jefferson opposed, that is why Hamilton owns Jeff.
Umm....Hamiltonians were the precursors to Republicans. Jeffersonians (later called Democratic-Republicans) were the originals Democrats.
Jefferson = Liberal.
Ex: Favored French Revolution.
Hamilton = Republican.
Ex: Wanted to make rich people richer.
By "federalist," I assume you're referring to countries with big governments that run everything, right? That would be socialism. And if by "float on oil" you mean "fell apart a long time ago," then you're right. Or, maybe you're talking about a dictatorship? Like in the Middle East? They float on oil because it's THERE.
Jefferson did oppose large differences in the wealth of individuals, but that wasn't because he was a romantic. It was because he had seen how the poor people in France lived, and he didn't want that to happen here.
I think Hamilton had a more useful vision of America, because he favored industrialization and a government that was large enough to manage the growing nation.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln
Quote:Jefferson = Liberal.
Ex: Favored French Revolution.
Hamilton = Republican.
Ex: Wanted to make rich people richer.
haha, that's interesting because in our debate in class, the people who supported Jefferson were republican and the people who supported Hamilton were democratic...not a debate but it's interesting.
myopichappiness wrote:haha, that's interesting because in our debate in class, the people who supported Jefferson were republican and the people who supported Hamilton were democratic...not a debate but it's interesting.
Oddly enough, there is a reason for that. The main difference between Hamiltonians/Jeffersonians and their descendants is that Hamilton believed in a loose interpretation of the Constitution whereas Jefferson believed in a strict interpretation. For some reason, they're switched around today. ;)
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln
Eh, i picked hamilton as well because of his view of America. His vision is essentially what we live in today. True, Jefferson gave us the Louisiana Purchase, but without Hamilton's national bank - Jefferson wouldn't even have had the money to buy the Louisiana purchase. Jefferson was essentially a hick - he supported the agrarian lifestyle and thought farming was "the work of god." As a democratic republican he didn't really care about foreign affairs - only western expansion.
He was also extremely undecisive. At first he opposed the national bank b/c of it's power given to the government and then used it to his own advantage to buy the Louisiana purchase. At first he was a strict constructionalist and then all of the sudden he bought the Louisiana Purchase - which wasn't directly stated as one of the powers as president of the United States. So he kind of went against his own beliefs in that respect.
And then the whole slavery argument? yeah, the kind of sucked too because he owned a lot of slaves and then he even had an affair with one. Some people say he was against slavery b/c it gave too much power to people. But then, why would he have owned so many of his own as well? eh. just some questions and more debate
The Jeffersonians supported the working-class, however Hamiltonians supported a loose interpretation of the Constitution, which Jefferson later adapted during his term in presidency after the Louisiana Purchase.
I'd have to say Jefferson.
-Sara(h) Mahala
I thought jefferson was a great guy in his young years, but when he hit presidencey he got pretty wishy-washy. I mean the guy couldn't put up a strong argument and not rebuke it for more than a day. Hamilton was strongwilled and moved America toward the future with his unconventional ideas.
America stands a powerful country today due to Hamilton, sure Jefferson was great too but Hamilton created the bank and pushed for a stong central gov.
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Quote:Jeffersonians supported the working-class, however Hamiltonians supported a loose interpretation of the Constitution, which Jefferson later adapted during his term in presidency after the Louisiana Purchase.
^ shows how wishy-washy Jefferson was. he often reneged on his own ideas. ended up being a democratic republican with a loose interpretation of the constitution. haha, and completely failed when he tried to work out international affairs *cough* embargo act *cough* heh.
Quit comparing modern day republicans/democrats to Federalists and Anti-Federalists. Parties evolve through the times, just like societies and the economy does. They can be similar, but you can find modern day party tendencies in both Hambiltonians and Jeffersonians.
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