What do think about gay rights?

*blinks at the above comment*

Anyway. I'll reply on a serious note:

I'll start off by saying I am Christian.
Then I will say I am liberal. (Gasp.)

The arguments against Homosexual marriage are irrelevant and void:

Most claim Religious affiliation:
The Christian-Right claims that Marriage is a religious ceremony. If this is the case, we are violating the Seperation of Church and State.
So since the Christian-Right has claimed Religion, then we will remove Marriage Licenses (Certificates issued by the Court to allow two people to marry)
We will remove government benefits for married couples because if we give funds to them we will fund a religious organization or institution.
We will remove the ability to be married by an Official of the Court or a Justice of the Peace.
We will also remove Divorce Courts since that would be a court interfering with a religious organization/institution.

Summary: Do not pull the religious card unless you want marriage snatched like Prayer was.

Next, the Religious-Right do not practice what they preach:
They claim that the Bible demands death of all homosexuals (Never mentioned actually. Lev 18:22 just says do not lay with a man as you would a woman... You can't lay with a man as a woman does, it is physically impossible.)

However, the same Christian-Right refuses to follow the Old Testament Laws:
Don't eat pig. I saw a homophobe preacher eating BBQ the other day. Stone him.
Don't eat fish without scales. Man... Poor preacher gets stoned again because he was at the fish fry this summer.
Don't trim the hair on the sides of the head or the beard. My preacher had a beard one Christmas, the next he didn't!
Dont' wear clothing made with more than one type of fabric. Poor preacher, stoned stoned stoned.... That suit was polyiester and silk.
I also heard his wife tell him to pull the car around, Ut oh...Time to stone both of them. "No woman shall have authority over a man.)
Oh... An to the women who are against homosexuality because the bible says so... Take off your pants. The Bible says you're not allowed to wear them..

Summary: You cannot pick and choose what part of the Bible to follow. Also, Jesus Christ never taught for or against homosexuality. He never mentioned it. He mentioned how to give money and loyality, and love, and dedication, and fasting, and prayer, and he told us Blasphemy to the holy spirit could damn us to hell, but he never mentioned homosexuality. I think Jesus would have mentioned it if it could damn us to hell, eh.

And before you ask. Yes I am.

Please keep post relevant to the topic with an explination of your beliefs. Back-it up, don't just say "I believe gays are dumb so they should die" or "Gay people are awesome, straight people should die!" You get the idea. Back up what you say. Say why you feel that way.

dejavoo wrote:I mean, they say it's not okay to hate people because the color of their skin, but hating people for their sexual orientation is Ok?

Sad part is that racism is still very much alive.

kygirl08 wrote:and by the way, i believe that the US should still have slaves today, we would be better off economicly and socialy. although the treatment shoud not be as harsh

Woah--hold up! Not trying to start a fight but that is the very foundation in which America as a whole was built! Freedom, life, and liberty--but that's besides the topic so I won't start.

Personally, I don't have a problem unless I'm being hit/crushed on in which I'd be grossed out. However, the fact that Church and State should always be separated cannot be denied. The only reason the government would be prohibiting gay marriage would be because they see it as morally wrong. The thing is, gays and lesbians didn't wake up and say "Oh I want to be born into this world as a homosexual." They had no choice. It's what they see 'love' as. In my opinion, this is a violation of their freedom of expression. If this is not the reason, what is it?

Might I say that unless you keep the number of slaves considerably lower than the number of masters then the system is doomed to fail. And that is virtually impossible because most people would want at least one, and probably more than that. But you see...when the revolt happens, they will be the ones with nothing to lose who don't know and won't follow the rules of engagement. You ever notice how the people who use guerilla techniques tend to win the battles? In a sense, slavery is doomed to fail unless you take away any and all sense of hope. But humans have this sense of finding it in the darkest places....

Rant over.

Effervescent, America was founded with slavery allowed and encouraged. The main reason that slavery was abolished was for economic reasons. That's what the North vs. South thing was about, economics, greed, money.

Why was slavery allowed? Money. Profit.

Imagine that you are a bussiness owner. You're greedy, like most people are. You receive $5,000 in gross profit. If you have to pay your workers, let's say, $4,000, you only get a net profit of $1,000. If you don't have to pay you're workers, i.e. slaves, you get the full profit of $5,000.

That's why slavery was allowed. America was not founded on freedom. If it was freedom slaves wouldn't have been allowed. Life? Sure, life was allowed for slaves, depending on their price. Liberty, well, pretty much the same as freedom.

Like it or not, it's a fact we have to accept.

What wrote:Imagine that you are a bussiness owner. You're greedy, like most people are. You receive $5,000 in gross profit. If you have to pay your workers, let's say, $4,000, you only get a net profit of $1,000. If you don't have to pay you're workers, i.e. slaves, you get the full profit of $5,000.

That's a dangerous concentration of money in my opinion but anyways...

Not trying to be stubborn but America was indeed founded on the principles of those already listed including freedom. The Declaration of Independence wasn't meant to be written on the basis of stating that the black man or any other race for that matter was inferior to that of the white race.

That's what separated the U.S. from everyone else. If we had kept slavery, our whole government would be a hypocrisy.

Keep in mind that at the time, slaves were considered property, not people. They were bought, traded, and owned. Since they were not considered people, the Deceleration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution did not apply to them.

Excuse me, What, but isn't this discussion about gay rights?

Religious and social values aside, I believe that it is absolutely none of our business what people do in their personal lives. Loving someone of the same gender, and having sex with them and marrying them and raising a family, hurts no one. In comparison, I think that we should be far more concerned with the availability of drugs and alcohol and guns, which do kill people, than with the actions of people that have finally found happiness and love.

heh, yea, got a little side-tracked on the slavery thing...

Far be it from me to admonish a mod lol...