Gay Marrige

Zasch, nice! You were actually able to turn this into something that even more people can relate to. azn deagle33: I would like you to tell me WHERE in the bible it says that being gay is a sin. Yeah, that is a challenge. I'm not trying to be mean, it is just that so many people are completely ignorant about so many things and the first excuse that people give for any sort of discrimination is "the bible says so"....
I know it says something about a man shall not lie with another man. I know. Yet, at the same time, that section of the bible is addressing the duties of married couples. The point of being a heterosexual married couple is to be fertile and multiply, yet our world has thousands of sterile men and women that can't do this. Does that mean that they are in sin because they are not multiplying? I don't think so.
And in regard to genetics, IF homosexuality is a genetic trait, how is it any different than the color of your skin, the texture of your hair, the color of your eyes, the size of your feet???? If someone would discriminate against homosexuality based on genetics then I believe that same person would discriminate against the hundreds of thousands of racial groups, cultural traits, and ethnic diversities that are different than that person....

Personally, I do not agree with the ideas of gay marriage. I am not against their rights or anything of that nature. A thought to put out there, if we granted them the ability to get married to their significant other, we would actually be granting them extra rights as everyone else because they had the choice to marry someone of the opposite gender. However, I do believe in granting them civil unions which would provide them with the insurance benefits and other fiscal benefits of marriage, but it can't offend people becuase it is not a "marriage" by name, also it is not legally binding in the respect that a pastor of a church can not refuse to "marry" them. Everyone in my opinion can be happy.

well i mean nymchad thats wat my bio teacher said i think, but anyways like wat acekid said how can i prove where in the bible says that it is a sin. well 1st like it actually depends on wat type of christian u r baptist, orthodox, or catholic. now u know how strick catholic are about the religion. so like i am pretty sure that it is a sin because i hear lots of ppl saying it. and they r catholic. besides i mean catholic ppl thinks masterbating is a sin and i am pretty sure that is not in the bible

azn deagle-- yeah i go to a catholic school, but... definitely NOT one. i'm actually a liberal mennonite. so just b/c the catholic church teaches it doesn't mean it's necessarily true.

brewerjo-- it's not really a choice to marry someone of the same gender or opposite gender. i mean, if you're straight, you won't choose to marry someone of the same gender would you? so if you're gay, you wouldn't choose to marry someone of the opposite gender. yes, sometimes people marry and then realize they're gay later, but those usually aren't really the happiest of relationships. also, wouldn't gay people still be offended by "civil unions"?

one of the main reasons for gay marriage is for the benefits that they get as a married couple, such as taxes-not to show their love. I feel that domestic partnerships are the most effective due to the fact that the partners will get the same benefits of being married.

However, banning gay marriage does deprive people of their basic rights, according to the first sentence of the Declaration of Independence. And one cannot argue that our founding fathers did not know that there were homosexuals in the 1700's because they have existed through history-Leonardo Da Vinci anyone?

I think that this issue will never be fully resolved in our lifetime.

cameide;74775 wrote:one of the main reasons for gay marriage is for the benefits that they get as a married couple, such as taxes-not to show their love. I feel that domestic partnerships are the most effective due to the fact that the partners will get the same benefits of being married.

However, banning gay marriage does deprive people of their basic rights, according to the first sentence of the Declaration of Independence. And one cannot argue that our founding fathers did not know that there were homosexuals in the 1700's because they have existed through history-Leonardo Da Vinci anyone?

I think that this issue will never be fully resolved in our lifetime.

Technically it is only in the United States of America where religion can't stay out of the government that this is truly a problem. Look at a country such as South Africa where the idea of HIV/AIDS is considered a myth or a fancy word for the horrible symptoms.

They allow gay marriage--why simply because their constitution considers all men equal. Fancy that since our own constitution uses similar lines.

People are too wrapped up in religion and "morals" they can't see the truth.

That and domestic partnership is just a degraded version of marriage. Marriage is something sacred and cherished with the final expression of "true love." If a person told you and your heterosexual partner you two could not be married but a domestic partnership was okay, how would you feel? It is a basic denial of rights.

Besides only MA offers identical rights to a heterosexual marriage the rest are off-brand attempts.

cameide;74775 wrote:one of the main reasons for gay marriage is for the benefits that they get as a married couple, such as taxes-

This is wrong.

Quote:not to show their love.

So is this.

Quote: the fact that the partners will get the same benefits of being married.

This, too, is not correct.

Is there really an argument against gay marriage other than a 2000 year old book about a wrathful creator and Jewish zombie?

I personally (despite Catholic and generally Conservative beliefs) am okay with Gay Marriage. I think that when we look at the religious right's arguments on this issue, it's an example of trying to use the Bible (written thousands of years ago) to make a judgment call on a relatively new issue. I think that this is not only dangerous, but often stupid.

But, I think it's important to remember that this is a power that should belong to the states. This is one of those reserved powers. The 10th Amendment states "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." The Federal Government should stay out of this.