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Quote:a) No one is severely (I doubt even moderately) affected by the line "One nation under god." People are overly concerned over the possibility of offending someone.
What part of that's not the point don't you understand?
Quote:b) You can't take every word of the constitution literally, otherwise you could argue that we don't live under true freedom because of the existence laws and police to enforce them... Although I guess that's an anarchist's best argument.
Is that not what a democracy is? Also, how can a republic succeed w/o laws and police? Hmm...
Quote:c) Most importantly, there are much more pressing issues at hand than making sure no ones feelings are hurt.
And suing McDonald's for 100 million dollars because the coffee spilled on you and you win is important? Didn't think so, but it happens ;)
Armando wrote:What part of "that's not the point" don't you understand?
Is that not what a democracy is? Also, how can a republic succeed w/o laws and police? Hmm...
And suing McDonald's for 100 million dollars because the coffee spilled on you and you win is important? Didn't think so, but it happens ;)
1. The "not" bit. The main point on that matter is that people are too sensitive nowadays. End of story.
2. That is exactly my point. The constitution grants us freedom. However this does not mean a person can do what ever he or she pleases and therefore, this element has not been taken literally.
3. Although that reference is slightly dated, I agree with you completely (although that would be a different thread). However, people like that are minority in the states. I personally hate the idea that people can sue companies for stupidity on their own part, and even worse that they can win. Those people are merely refusing to accept responsiblity for their own actions. By important I was refering to issues such as: Crime, Terrorism, Border control, National Security, Disaster relief, ect.
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Quote:1. The "not" bit. The main point on that matter is that people are too sensitive nowadays. End of story.
What have I been saying all this time? That's NOT the point. It's not because people are too sensitive, because, as we both have said, it doesn't really "hurt" anyone. It is the principle.
Quote:By important I was refering to issues such as: Crime, Terrorism, Border control, National Security, Disaster relief, ect.
I completely agree with you that there are many more important issues the government has to handle, but then again, ALL issues must be handled by the government, that's what it's there for. And if it can't, then we don't have a very effective or just government.
It's a matter of priority, not capability.
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Mike200 wrote:
Now no offense, but I personally hate it when someone remains seated for the pledge of allegiance. Every time I saw someone do it, that person was always an American. It was always someone who had no appreciation for their country or what they have. They would say that they didn't like this country. On the other hand, the kids whose families had emigrated here were always eager to stand for the pledge. They were eager to learn English and become American citizens. They had come from places where their freedom was severly restricted and they came here appreciating the freedoms of this country.
i rarely ever agree with mike200 it seems...however i like his statement here. hey i'm not american but i say it. i give my country (current country im living in) support, i like to think that we're saluting this flag not a swastika because of all the brave men/women that helped this country grow. lol one of my friend says he doenst do it because it's not the confederate flag hah! there is only one excuse not to say the pledge: if u dont like america and you're 13 years old and u cannot get out of the country due to ur financial problems.
btw: i don't think the "under god" is very traditional. it was added in during WWII i believe to create more of a unison among the country. and i think soemoen already said that here. i have no prob with it, and i dont really think anyone should. i do not care if it gets removed or not. noone is loading a gun and threatening to blow my brains out if i dont say the "under god" part. that's the beauty of freedom of speech, it's also freedom of silence.
I'm an american but I really don't agree with it being required to recite this pledge because I disagree with pledging alligiance to any flag even if you belong to that specific country. "under god" really doesnt bother me at all but the concept of being forced to say something we don't want to is really lame.
"I have a feeling I'm falling on rare occasions but most of the time I have my feet on the ground, I can't help it if the ground itself is falling."
Capt. Canada wrote:I'm an american but I really don't agree with it being required to recite this pledge because I disagree with pledging alligiance to any flag even if you belong to that specific country. "under god" really doesnt bother me at all but the concept of being forced to say something we don't want to is really lame.
just wondering but are a Jehovah's witness? cuz my friends that are JWs, they dnot' pledge any government flag (well they do but they say they're not allowed to) just like i said, u dont have to say it. noone is saying it. noone is forcing u to say it. but if u have pride in ur nation you're welcome to. it's your freedom they granted to u and u dont have to say anything or stand up or put your hand over your chest. even if you were in the most military based building ever you wouldnt be forced to do it.
Not standing up during the pledge is a disgrace, no one should be allowed to do so. It is highly disrespectful to other's and the country itself. I personally stand up and show respect, but I don't say it. Even if I did say it, I wouldn't say the under god part, beacuse I don't believe in it.
I stand up as well out of respect and during the national anthem I even put my hand over my heart because I am proud and grateful of my country (most times) but I refuse to say something I don't believe. oh and I am not a JW by the way(you gave me a pretty good laugh there)
"I have a feeling I'm falling on rare occasions but most of the time I have my feet on the ground, I can't help it if the ground itself is falling."
I really do love this country. I plan on enlisting in the Air Force to serve my country. Many of the values and freedoms I hope to protect are demonstrated in the Bill of Rights. One of my favorites is Freedom of Speech.. that may entail not speaking also sometimes. The Pledge of Allegaince, whether spoken or stood for, is just one way to show patriotism and respect for this or any country. Everyone has the right to choose. It is our job to respect each others choices.
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