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cubsfan5554;75242 wrote:
But, I think it's important to remember that this is a power that should belong to the states.
Quote:promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Quote:The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Quote: nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
States rights does not include the right to abrogate individual rights.
I definitely see your point. I agree that this is a pretty fuzzy issue...
I would argue that rules regarding marriages are not "delegated to the United States by the Constitution" though I do acknowledge that this is an example of the liberty that the constitution speaks of. It's clearly not something the framers had to think about when writing the Constitution. But it's pretty well agreed upon that the same-sex marriage issue should be sorted out at a state level. Howard Dean (DNC Chairman) believes it. Dick Cheney has said so too. It's not just a partisan thing, it's pretty well agreed upon.
Quote:I would argue that rules regarding marriages are not "delegated to the United States by the Constitution" though I do acknowledge that this is an example of the liberty that the constitution speaks of.
Then you've just negated your own argument. Once you admit that it is an issue concerning liberty then the preamble, the ninth amendment, and the fourteenth amendment all kick in.
Furthermore, that is if you are a "states rights over individual rights" sort of person - and if you are, you don't value liberty anyway, and thus arguments based on either the Constitution or on philosophical ideas of freedom aren't relevant.
Quote:But it's pretty well agreed upon that the same-sex marriage issue should be sorted out at a state level. Howard Dean (DNC Chairman) believes it. Dick Cheney has said so too. It's not just a partisan thing, it's pretty well agreed upon.
I don't see how this is relevant. If both the parties at one point agreed to limit African American rights (note: they did), that would be completely divorced from the issue of whether African Americans ought to be treated equally under either the Constitution or under a governing value of liberty.
Wow...this is getting REALLY political and it is WAY to early in the morning for me to try to think about it....:D
Maybe the point of life is just to live......
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azn_deagle33;74216 wrote:well to testify against gay rights.......first it said in the bible that being gay is a sin. i know some ppl dont believe that but it is true i think well that i know of. and second sometimes being gay if because of genes ussually
well just going to say that nowhere in the old (original) version of the bible, that Ive found... please correct me if Im wrong, does it say anything about homosexuality... it was all added in later years...
How could one such as myself answer such a question without so much as a second glance?
AICE kid;74335 wrote:Zasch, nice! You were actually able to turn this into something that even more people can relate to. azn deagle33: I would like you to tell me WHERE in the bible it says that being gay is a sin. Yeah, that is a challenge. I'm not trying to be mean, it is just that so many people are completely ignorant about so many things and the first excuse that people give for any sort of discrimination is "the bible says so"....
I know it says something about a man shall not lie with another man. I know. Yet, at the same time, that section of the bible is addressing the duties of married couples. The point of being a heterosexual married couple is to be fertile and multiply, yet our world has thousands of sterile men and women that can't do this. Does that mean that they are in sin because they are not multiplying? I don't think so.
And in regard to genetics, IF homosexuality is a genetic trait, how is it any different than the color of your skin, the texture of your hair, the color of your eyes, the size of your feet???? If someone would discriminate against homosexuality based on genetics then I believe that same person would discriminate against the hundreds of thousands of racial groups, cultural traits, and ethnic diversities that are different than that person....
your probably thinking of "Man shall not sleep with man as he shall with woman" which is just an interpretation by anti-gay movements of the quote “Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” (Romans 1:26) which is the real thing... (from romans of course...)
also sorry for the double post but I am not against gay marriage I couldnt care less either way... my main problem is how warped religion becomes from people trying to get their way... I used to be roman catholic so I know most of the religious stuff and almost none of it is original or genuine... ok just my thoughts...
How could one such as myself answer such a question without so much as a second glance?
marine corps: you used to be roman catholic? so what does that make you now?
sorry, i'm not trying to be rude, just curious...
well,now Im atheist. and no worries I know your not trying to be rude :)
How could one such as myself answer such a question without so much as a second glance?
i think gay people shou8ld be alowed to get maried
People who are against gay marriage are against gay people 99 out of 100 times. The reason for hating gay people is the true question. For this, there exists a multitude of reasons. One: the religious question; gays have no place in religion except for hell. Two: the fear of the unknown; a lot of people hate gay people because they are threatened by something that they know very little about and cannot relate to. They feel uncomfortable to say the least. Three: the gay people themselves; what is stereotyping...how far does it go before it becomes fact...the reality is that 49/50 times you see a gay person, he is flaunting around arrogantly with his flaming designer jeans and his $80 haircut. Some people just don't like this attitude and lifestyle.
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