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becker-- um, about those "49/50" times you see a gay person acting like that... how would you know if a person is gay if they act "normally" or like any straight person?? those gays you talked about are just the most obvious ones.
That's the point...Which ones do you see every day? If they're not "out of the closet", then technically they aren't part of the gay population.
the truth is that there are marriage ceremonies that are not religious. my brother is and athiest and him and his wife are married without religious affiliation. also, if you are going to bring in religion, the bible aslo says you can't get tattoes, you can't eat shellfish, and you cannot wear clothing of mixed materials and most clothing is a blend of fabrics. so if we are going to ignore the seperation of church and state, then shellfish, tattoes and polycotton blends should be illegal too.
Here is the bottom line: When it comes to the law...in a country such as the U.S where everyone has the freedom of religion and religion is not meant to be involved in making our laws...Gay Marriage should be legalized.
(I wrote a paper on this...so I know a ton of stuff).
The bottom line is that Marriage (from a legal standpoint - which is the only standpoint the government should be looking at) comes with certain rights that domestic partners and non-married couples do not recieve:
1.) For example, heaven forbid that one person in a gay couple gets in a car accident and is left on life support. If they were married, then the surviving person would be allowed to make certain life and death medical decisions on behalf of his/her partner. However, since gay marriage is not allowed, the surviving person has no rights for speaking or making medical decisions on behalf of his/her partner.
2.) Under laws by most states, insurance companies do not have to cover domestic partners and/or unmarried couples.
Here is the bottom line: There is not ONE legitimate argument against gay marriage besides a religious argument. However - a religious argument has no grounds in our country.
Also, not EVERYONE has a religious wedding...agnostics and atheists get married too. And some people are not very religious or dont claim to be one particular faith or the other...In our country we have the luxury and the freedom to choose whatever religion we want. There is such a beauty in a society that is so religiously/spiritually diverse.
I hope that the next president, whomever it may be (I hope its a democrat!) makes the correct decision and pushes for gay marriage to be legalized.
No one is asking you to LIKE gay marriage...just to respect it.
Those are all really good points. And they are all completely true. People tend to try to throw the religion card at the subject but need to realize that it isnt even about religion. It is about the freedom to choose and live the way we want to.
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Ok. I’m very glad that you have no problem with gay people but I don’t think you really understand our reasons for getting married. Sure, love is one aspect of marriage. And yeah I know that getting married doesn’t prove my love for someone any more than I already show them. But you're forgetting the financial aspect. And I REFUSE to be denied the financial benefits that married couples receive. Tax cuts, housing benefits, adoption rights, banking benefits, etc.
So yes love is one aspect of marriage. But you and most other people with these views forget these financial facts that married couples have a LOT of benefits that gay people are denied. So I suggest that if people don’t want gay people to get married, then they should just be fair and deny financial benefits of being married to EVERYONE, not just same-sex couples.
I've put some serious thought into this subject, just because it comes up when you have gay friends. I thought about their side of things, read the bible about it, and then just thought about it. The way i see it, is that i have no problem whatsoever about homosexuality, its totallly their decision. BUT, marriage is totally something different, marriage is between a man and a woman, it is also between them and God. If they want to have something that unifies them as a couple, than it needs to be something other than marriage, because that is special.
cubsfan5554;75242 wrote:I personally (despite Catholic and generally Conservative beliefs) am okay with Gay Marriage. I think that when we look at the religious right's arguments on this issue, it's an example of trying to use the Bible (written thousands of years ago) to make a judgment call on a relatively new issue. I think that this is not only dangerous, but often stupid.
If homosexuality was such as a new issue then why would a book "written thousands of years ago" make a judgement call on it and condemn it?
Quote:well just going to say that nowhere in the old (original) version of the bible, that Ive found... please correct me if Im wrong, does it say anything about homosexuality... it was all added in later years...
The Torah, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (no it was not just for gluttony), condemnation of male shrine prostitutes (it condemns both female and male, but there are some specific references [Deut 23:17]), passage found in Romans 1, Jesus in Matthew 19 defines marriage and consumation between a man and women, and in 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Do I think that homosexual intercourse contradicts the Bible? Yes. Do I think it is any worse than adultery, lying, lust, or indecent behavior? No.
Am I any better off than a gay person in the eyes of God? No.
Also aren't there medical risks to this lifestyle?
AP930;78396 wrote:If homosexuality was such as a new issue then why would a book "written thousands of years ago" make a judgement call on it and condemn it?
The Torah, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (no it was not just for gluttony), condemnation of male shrine prostitutes (it condemns both female and male, but there are some specific references [Deut 23:17]), passage found in Romans 1, Jesus in Matthew 19 defines marriage and consumation between a man and women, and in 1 Corinthians 6:9.
Do I think that homosexual intercourse contradicts the Bible? Yes. Do I think it is any worse than adultery, lying, lust, or indecent behavior? No.
Am I any better off than a gay person in the eyes of God? No.
Also aren't there medical risks to this lifestyle?
sorry should have specified I meant about marriage :p
oh and yes there are medical risks but there are medical risks with heterosexual couples too.
Quote:I've put some serious thought into this subject, just because it comes up when you have gay friends. I thought about their side of things, read the bible about it, and then just thought about it. The way i see it, is that i have no problem whatsoever about homosexuality, its totallly their decision. BUT, marriage is totally something different, marriage is between a man and a woman, it is also between them and God. If they want to have something that unifies them as a couple, than it needs to be something other than marriage, because that is special.
As for this, if two buddhists or two people of another religion (buddhism is just first religion I could think of) decide to get married then isnt it the same as marriage in the christian religion? marriage is what the people getting married make of it. It doesn't belong to any one religion like most people may believe. The practice of marriage has been around since way before christianity, agreed not in the same fashion or sense as it is today, and it shouldnt be held up to a christianity stand point.
How could one such as myself answer such a question without so much as a second glance?
Quote:Which ones do you see every day? If they're not "out of the closet", then technically they aren't part of the gay population.
just because they aren't obviously gay to an observer doesn't mean they're not out of the closet. they're not obligated to tell you about it!
Quote:The way i see it, is that i have no problem whatsoever about homosexuality, its totallly their decision. BUT, marriage is totally something different, marriage is between a man and a woman, it is also between them and God. If they want to have something that unifies them as a couple, than it needs to be something other than marriage, because that is special.
i don't think it's really a decision. also, what makes it NOT special if it's between two gay people?? can two gays not have relationships with god?
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