I go to Rio Rancho High School. As many know, the issue of ID has risen in three major areas... one of which decided to teach it, another deemed it unconstitutional, and then there is my school-- still deciding... deciding whether or not ID is constitutional. It allows for teaching creationism, and "intellegent pushing downing" amongst other religous factors. However, with a lack of teachers qualified to teach this, and many students against it, the school board, (two of three who are of the religion) are for it. In my years at high school, I have been taught that science is something that can be proved. Now, the issue is lying on my school, and whether or not, throughout the nation ID will be allowed to be taught in the science class. I personally believe that it belongs in a philosophy, or a humanities class if they are so hell-bent on teaching it. Not in a science class. Any opinions? please... This is our last hope for keeping the science teachers who are still sound of mind.
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I agree with you on this one. I think that it doesn't belong in the science classes, but if people are really insistant, it could be in another class, maybe philosophy or a religion class (if your school has one of those...). Or you could even tell the parents that if they're so incredibly set that their children are going to learn, send them to church or teach them yourselves, a practice that I believe is dying out in this country. At any rate, why put something in a science class that doesn't involve theories, postulates, calculations, and physical evidence?
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I do not think intelligent design should be taught in non-secular schools, only in secular schools. Intelligent design has no business being taught is non-secular schools at all as it is not a proven "subject" much less a science. If parents really want their children to learn about it, they should send their students to a secular school where intelligent design can be taugh at free will. If students in a non-secular school wish to learn in, then make a religion class that deals with intelligent design, don't try to teach it as a science or part of another class.
At the end of the day, it is up to the students if they want to take the class or not, because if schools do offer it as part of their curriculum they CANNOT, by law, make it a required class, unless it's a secular school and you have previously agreed to it.
So in my opinion, it should not be taught. Teach it all you want outside of school or in a secular school, but don't try to make it into a "science" class in all schools of the United States.
The thing is... is the issue is lying on my school. Were being laughed at by all of the neighboring districts, and most colleges do not accept students from secular high schools-- so theyre endangering the students future also.... Another thing, do you think that this would ever help us in life? I mean not to put anyone's beliefs down, but to most it sounded like a joke. What about competency exams? my school, being in New Mexico, is already waaaay below average, are we going to waste time filling their heads with usless stuff that they'll never need? I dont think that putting more into the already existing curricula is going to make it better. Why not get the schools in line and learn how to teach-- my school use to be noted for its excellence... now were just a joke.
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That's what I'm saying, it shouldn't be a required part of a student's curriculum but rather an optional class which one can take if one wishes to.
I think that in an age where people are moving further into science for their everyday life, teaching the theory of intelligent design as a sceince class is laughable. If it were an elective then of course, everything study-able deserves attention, but to raise it anywhere above elective status hurts the school's reputation, both among the scholarly community and in the student community itself.
Better to be known as a well-rounded school that teaches all theories than one that focuses on the purely religious aspect of it.
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ok in some other posts i have hammered for ID..... but yeah it shouldn't be in science...
But i don't see the uncostitutional argument that some are making..... how would you get that????
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Because it is a Christian creation myth, teaching it violates the separation of church and state.
ok yeah i can see that....
but is there any objection to teaching AT ALL??? i don't mean in a science class.... like a humanities class... or as an science class but as an elective, nothing mandatory?????
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It is possible for a class on, say, current events or history or comparative religion to teach about theocratism vs. secualrism or teach about the separation of church and state, etc,. which could integrate a discussion about ID. However, they can't teach ID as an "alternative" to evolution, nor can they teach it as being true. They can only mention it in a contextual setting ("...thus, the Pennsylvania court affirmed separation of church and state during a controversial hearing regarding creationism....")
A "science" ID elective would certainly be unconstitutional. What would you teach, anyway? The lesson would take five seconds...the students all come into the class, the teacher says "God did everything", and then class is over for the rest of the term.
Zasch;80108 wrote:Because it is a Christian creation myth, teaching it violates the separation of church and state.
you know what else pisses me off? everyday we have to say the pledge and say "under god"...violation between church and state yet no one does shit...now we have moment of silence at our school as well.....all the students freaking know that its for prayer but they cant really say its ''prayer''... its just silent reflection...what the hell? my day didn't even start yet and they tell me to reflect on that day? soon they will incorporate ID into my school and call it health education cuz they cant say its ''science''
usa makes me a very angry student~
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