Is the President an effective leader

I think Bush used to be an effective leader and I still think he is, except that he lost some of my respect when I heard on the news he started to drink again... Anyways, not to go against Bush or anything but type in "failure" in google search engine and see what happens...

tallgeese wrote:bush is not a leader. why? because look, we were a loved nation. now, during the second term of bush, it seems like we raked in a lot of flak. some leader. lead your nation's problem first, before you start leading them to years of war.
So this is how you define leader. Remind me not to take your opinion seriously anymore.

We were never a loved nation and if you believe this are severely misinformed. People hate America simply because we have the best economy in the world and we are a world superpower. The fact is, we aren't Europe and their opinion of us shouldn't have much of an impact on our policy. On the matter of Iraq, much of Europe sided with us including Britain, the only strength there, and Italy. The nations that didn't, Germany, France, and Russia, did not suppport the war because the terroist groups of the Middle East were some of their biggest customers fo weapons. There is alot of proof to back this up. So, the point of all this is that they hate us no matter what and they will hate us as long as we continue to be economically stronger than the rest of the world.

Well Bush solved the economic problem at the homefront. In the recent 2 and a half years the economy has seen a huge upswing with gdp increasing and unemplyment decreasing to the lowest level in 40 years. And Al Quida and Iraq WERE our peoblems. They were direct threats to us, in case you haven't forgotten 9/11, the bombing of the U.S.S. cole, the attacks by Al Quida on over 100 U.S. Embassies around the world, etc.

I can go on forever so I might as well stop now before I get carpal tunnel syndrome.

Out of curiosity, who do you define as a leader?
Do you think B. J. Clinton (no pun intended) was a leader?
He left the presidency with his pants around his knees and along with that he left the country in a recession. He spent 76 billion on a war in Yugoslavia, which we had nothing to do. You see, at least Iraq we had some reasons and insentive. But he had to go attack Serbia. They posed no threat to us, they weren't a nuclear power, they never attacked the U.S., and they don't even have oil. Clintion passed up a chance to kill Osama Bin Laden, and his little flu vaccine plan has resulted in a flu vaccine shortage in the country. Again I can go on forever.

Quote:Anyways, not to go against Bush or anything but type in "failure" in google search engine and see what happens...

He got elected to a second term, the economy is doing extremely well, Iraq has turned into a huge sucess, Al Quida has been reduced to almost nothing, the opressive taliban regime is gone, millions of people have been leberated and finally have a chance at democracy, etc. I see no way he can be a failure.

Mike200 wrote:the economy is doing extremely well, Iraq has turned into a huge sucess, Al Quida has been reduced to almost nothing,

Wow.

Mike200 wrote:Do you think B. J. Clinton (no pun intended) was a leader?
He left the presidency with his pants around his knees and along with that he left the country in a recession.
Nice :D.

I agree. People shouldn't even be blaming Bush for everything. You think Clinton was any better? You might say that he got us out of debt...but sadly, no. The economy and employment started to fail at the end of his term so guess who he passed it off to? The next President, who is George W. Bush! And yes. Bush is the leader, so instead of talking bad about him why don't we stop arguing and try to figure out how to solve the problem? Divided nation didn't really get us anywhere. Would arguing whether or not Bush is an "idiot" do any good? What if the next President was a Democrat and made the current situation even worse? What then? Argue and criticize time?

While I do not agree with most of his policies, I will say he gets way more blame for things than he deserves. There's plenty of blame to be spread around.

erikvarho wrote:Wow.

Yeah, I'm going to second that, except extend it to Mike200's entire post.

I'm not even going to start in this one because I got sucked into another one (not even in the debate section) and I don't have the time, energy, or patience to deal with another one.

iraq was not a success, we are not out yet and there is no firm foundation, however we are almost getting there by letting fellow iraqis slowly run the country...kinda like vietnam..yet it's working out much better. the nation itself is sick of the war (even conservatives). our economy is crap...and it's always been that way...i honestly think there is nothign we can do to save teh economy as long as i am livin on this earth lol.

bush is not a good leader...why? his popularity has gone wayyyyy down. that needs to tell u something. i am not against republican presidents at all. i just honestly think bush is very slow....in his actions and his brain.

tallgeese wrote:iraq was not a success, we are not out yet and there is no firm foundation, however we are almost getting there by letting fellow iraqis slowly run the country...kinda like vietnam..yet it's working out much better. the nation itself is sick of the war (even conservatives). our economy is crap...and it's always been that way...i honestly think there is nothign we can do to save teh economy as long as i am livin on this earth lol.

bush is not a good leader...why? his popularity has gone wayyyyy down. that needs to tell u something. i am not against republican presidents at all. i just honestly think bush is very slow....in his actions and his brain.

Iraq is a sucess. It's not done yet but it's a sucess. The quality of life is much higher in the country than before Saddam, the nation's economy is growing at twice the speed of China's which was fastest growing up until now. Recent polls taken by Iraqi universities indicate that 75% of Iraqi's say they have a better life than before the war and even more are optimistic of the future.

Quote:ur economy is crap
You are highly mistaken my friend. It was in doing well until 2000. At that point we entered a recession, and a few years ago, our economy began to pick up again. And this is despite of 9/11, despite the fear of terrorism, despite the tradgedies we hav eexperienced.

Quote:his popularity has gone wayyyyy down
You're reading or watching way too much mainstream media. Most of the polls from the mainstream media are usually rigged or made to be misleading. For example in the Associated Press poll I just saw, Bush had an approval rating of 40%, but that poll was given to a highly liberal audience (60% democrat, 30% republican and 10% independent) And I's also like to mention that the approval ratings for many other politicians is much lower than Bush's.

Tell me where exactly you get all of your information about the nation's events Mike200.

It is quite obvious to me through your many posts that you have no clue that there are two sides to every story. You blatantly refuse to see the other side.

Oh, and a poll from a more even poll (39% dem. 34% rep. 22% ind. 6% other) has his approval rating at 42%, plus or minus 3%. There isn't that much difference.

That was from FOX and I hated going there...

we dont know if iraq is a success until we are out of there and the country can hold its own. i'll tell you why our economy is very fragile later because i have to sleep it's 1:00 AM and i have volleyball conditioning tomorrow and i just finished an art research project. so until then, our economy is fragile and iraq is not a success until the sunnis are unhostile, and the country holds its own.