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Okay, this may sound strange, but I agree with both MattJobs and AP_Work_R.

MattJobs- I agree that in order for communism to work it would have to be on a world wide scale. But about the military spending, if all fighting were to cease between countries, then we would not only not have to spend money keeping troops in other countries, but we wouldn't have to spend money on weapons, chemical and biological research that is to be used for weapons, training of soldiers, ammunition, etc. Then we might be able to solve problems like hunger and disease and other such things.

AP_Work_R- I agree that no government is perfect. But I see a flaw in your arguement. You say that no form of communism has succeeded so far, but unless I'm mistaken, no other form of democracy succeeded until the founding fathers came along.

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pianogirl2422 wrote:AP_Work_R- I agree that no government is perfect. But I see a flaw in your arguement. You say that no form of communism has succeeded so far, but unless I'm mistaken, no other form of democracy succeeded until the founding fathers came along.
I hope read my response thorougly (but apparently, it doesn't seem so :(). I did say that communism hadn't succeeeded, BUT have I ever stated that democracy succeeded?

How did you get such idea? I never said democracy was perfect nor successful. I only implied that it was more ideal and worked. Refer back to my argument; I clearly wrote that there was no form of government being "perfect." So, then, how was democracy before the Founding Fathers established, successful - I haven't even wrote such argument!

Next time, could you read thoroughly before responding? Thanks ;). That way, there wouldn't be so much misunderstandings :D.

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Quote:Next time, could you read thoroughly before responding? Thanks .

So are you saying our opinions aren't valid unless we read yours completely and can only respond to that? Hmmm? lol. JK. Anyhoo....I think I take the same stance as pianogirl. MattJobs, I agree because if we were all on the same page, we'd all work together better. But I don't believe that it will ever work out. AP is a bit more logical. Sorry Matt. What's with your Communism fascination anyway? Where do you live? BTW, China has set the birth limit to two to keep the population as stable as they can. Oops, time to go! :P

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AP_Work_R wrote: So, then, how was democracy before the Founding Fathers established, successful - I haven't even wrote such argument!

Okay, I'm confused. Could you clarify this sentence? And what is you're meaning of successful?

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Fine AP_Work_R i'll be more clear. Would you like me to say two pregnancies. My point is that we have to find some way to keep the population down. Since the U.S. nor any other country is going to try and find/make another place for us to go when we overpopulate the planet, what else should we do? And you just keep saying that it won't work but you never give a solid reason why. And how you were talking about how human rights would be thrown out the window in a communist gov't. Well, what about the U.S. gov't doesn't it also infringe on human rights. I don't want to go into another issue but what about the U.S. and Gay Marriage and Abortion. Aren't we starting to go into human rights there? And for Minifan501 my website is http://www.freewebs.com/apstudent05/ . Its in its beginning stages so it sucks.

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OK, I don't think by infringing on people's sexual lives we will make any difference. They've outlawed prostitution, and look how well THAT went over. The point is it's up to the people themselves (that's why we have abstinance). We already have those posts here too Matt. The website isn't that bad, I just want to know where and what the fascination with communism is. Were you exposed to fascism as a child? lol.

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MattJobs wrote:We have to make a world communist government. Or Pretty much unite all people under one communist flag. Think of how much money the U.S. spends on military holding troops in other countries. And Britain or any other country has troops in the same ones we do. By uniting the world we would cut down on that doubling over. An as AP_Work_R put it if Bill Gates gave his money to every person it would be less than a dollar. But the thing is that he wouldn't have to give it to every person. Just the one that are poor and don't have any money. This would be more than enough if you include all the other affluent people or countries. Also your statement on growth of population and how there would actually be less money for everyone. WE should take a page out of chinas book and do the one child or maybe(because of the failure of that rule in china) put a two child rule if the first was a girl.

COMMUNISM is the perfect government so make it WORLDWIDE

Yeah, definitely, the whole world is willing to unite. All African's (see Rwanda.) uniting, Europeans (see Yugoslavia), American's [in the international sense meaning North and South America] (see Cuban Missle Crisis), Arabs (see Iran - Iraq war, terrorism, and others), and Asians (see WWII, Vietnam, Korea, Mao, ect.) in one big happy family.

And on China... brilliant. We should also take China's example and kill a good 11 million fellow countrymen in a "Great Leap Foreward" (I mean come on, we have to get out of the dark ages) and another few million during a "Cultural Revolution." But hey, what's 34 million deaths between friends? And about excess children... eh, we can just off the little buggers, right? I mean... they ARE mistakes. But wait, oh no, a girl! Unacceptable, we'll have to make an exception.. two kids if your first is a girl. Ah... sexism... forced parenthood... terrific.

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How old are you? Your "arguement" sounds like its coming from an 11 year old kid who just faintly understands the function and purpose government without having a clue as to what international relations, terrorism, war, genocide, racism, religious conflict, intolerance, and even communism (real communism, not this idealistic BS) are. I could critique your enlightened thesis for days, but I feel that would be giving you far too much credit.

Take a history class, learn about the glorious history of communism.

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Ouch. I mean um...ouch. That one was harsh. Thank you though. lol. It sounds to me like you're slightly conservative? Just guessing. It's true though about how we'd never get along. It's just too big of a world with too many different peoples. Oh well. I'd love to get you and Matt in a room and....Oh wait, you're here. Have at you!!

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Yes, welcome back along, although that was a bit too sarcastic for my likes.

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It's not a matter of conservative or liberal, it's a matter of realistic or idealistic. While Communism sounds great (and would be great if it could actually work the way Marx intended) it is not something that could realistically happen any time soon.

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