Abortion rights

i didn't say anything about personhood though.......

But why do we need to protect non-persons?

Ha ha ha i'm quoteing myself, but im too lazy to redo what i have said so here it is again

hermione0457;80014 wrote:ok everyone is welcome to disagree and quote me and tell me im wrong all they want but this is what i think

i think that if you get drunk and have a one night stand that u consented to, that you shouldn't the "luxurey" of killing off your problem... you created that life... you take care of it... cant afford to take care of it... should have thought of that before you desided to be a hoe-tart and sleep around... at least the baby up for adoption instead of killing it before it really gets the chance to trully live life.

Now i think there should be some exceptions... like if the woman in question was raped, the pregnancy could harm her, or if the baby may be born with several complications. but even then there should be a lot of hurdles to jump through, to make sure that they really need it, and also in the process, they can make sure that this is what they want to do.

I think that if you ghet drunk, have a one night stand and get pregnant, the baby is your problem. its not nessarily that i want to portect the "baby", its the fact that people should be held accountable for their actions. its one thing if its rape or hiv or something like that, but if your a teenage hoe-tart that sleeps around then you sholud at least have to go through with the pregnancy... "if you can do the adultcrime, you can do the adult time.

But if we assume that non-persons do not deserve protection to that degree, then it doesn't follow that even wantonly promiscuous behaviour should result in a person being morally obligated to keep the baby.

Thus, you need to defend the idea that non-persons deserve such protection.

hermione0457;80204 wrote:Ha ha ha i'm quoteing myself, but im too lazy to redo what i have said so here it is again

I think that if you ghet drunk, have a one night stand and get pregnant, the baby is your problem. its not nessarily that i want to portect the "baby", its the fact that people should be held accountable for their actions. its one thing if its rape or hiv or something like that, but if your a teenage hoe-tart that sleeps around then you sholud at least have to go through with the pregnancy... "if you can do the adultcrime, you can do the adult time.
in this your also assuming that your scenario is the only one, a person doesnt need to be drunk but by your emphasis on the drunk part then people reading it get the illusion that you think you only need to have the baby whether you want to or not if your drunk when you have sex, as opposed to you should have the baby if you sleep around sober or otherwise to properly get your point across... The government should have no say in how a person treats their body (which a baby is part of a womans body until they are disconnected by the doctor from the umbilical cord at birth) otherwise we are starting to turn toward communism (i.e. Chinese having to look a certain way and wear indicators, Russians not allowing beards for a while, etc.) which is the United States major concern (if you dont believe me look at china, vietnam, russia, south american countrys, cuba, etc.)...

Marine Corps;80264 wrote:in this your also assuming that your scenario is the only one, a person doesnt need to be drunk but by your emphasis on the drunk part then people reading it get the illusion that you think you only need to have the baby whether you want to or not if your drunk when you have sex, as opposed to you should have the baby if you sleep around sober or otherwise to properly get your point across... The government should have no say in how a person treats their body (which a baby is part of a womans body until they are disconnected by the doctor from the umbilical cord at birth) otherwise we are starting to turn toward communism (i.e. Chinese having to look a certain way and wear indicators, Russians not allowing beards for a while, etc.) which is the United States major concern (if you dont believe me look at china, vietnam, russia, south american countrys, cuba, etc.)...

it was an example.... you can still sleep around sober.... but i dont think that abortion should be used as birth control.... thats just sick in my opininon... it may not work but why not do this on a case by case basis... everyone's situations are different. you cant rule completely illegal, thats not fair to women who have been raped and became pregnant or who's pregnancy indagers the baby as well as the mother...(btw both of these pregnancies are rare but they do happen.). and then it just allowing "baby killers " (sorry not the best terminalogy but its the best i could come up with at 8 in the morning) to walk the earth.... ugh like i said AN ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!!!! i hate it when people say it is.... not to mention all the mental side effects to it... i have done the reserch... these patients become great customers for shrinks.....

every woman cant be treated the same when it comes to her pregnancy.. its always different... yes case by case would be a lot of work... but hey it would avoid the abuse of abortion.(which doesnt always work... i have a story bout that.. ask me later) and then people who need it can have it... because if it becomes completly illegal becasue of its abuse.. people will still get them... but they wont be legit jobs and it will put women in even more danger.

But you still haven't defended the idea that nonpersons need to be defended. All you've done is said "I'm right because I'm right" which isn't particularly convincing.

hermione0457;80314 wrote:it was an example.... you can still sleep around sober.... but i dont think that abortion should be used as birth control.... thats just sick in my opininon... it may not work but why not do this on a case by case basis... everyone's situations are different. you cant rule completely illegal, thats not fair to women who have been raped and became pregnant or who's pregnancy indagers the baby as well as the mother...(btw both of these pregnancies are rare but they do happen.). and then it just allowing "baby killers " (sorry not the best terminalogy but its the best i could come up with at 8 in the morning) to walk the earth.... ugh like i said AN ABORTION IS NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!!!! i hate it when people say it is.... not to mention all the mental side effects to it... i have done the reserch... these patients become great customers for shrinks.....

every woman cant be treated the same when it comes to her pregnancy.. its always different... yes case by case would be a lot of work... but hey it would avoid the abuse of abortion.(which doesnt always work... i have a story bout that.. ask me later) and then people who need it can have it... because if it becomes completly illegal becasue of its abuse.. people will still get them... but they wont be legit jobs and it will put women in even more danger.
ok now my question to you is how is it that you think that birth control is fine but abortion isnt? its still killing off the baby that would be and going against god... also do you think that its ok to kill animals? they are after all gods creations as well, so why kill them? do you think its ok to become sterile? thats preventing the continued existence of humanity so why do it? if a person wants a baby then they will have sex and choose to keep the baby, treat it right, etc. if a person does not want a baby then they will A. Get an abortion (whether clinically or not) B. have the baby and hate it or C. kill themselves and therefor the baby. so why not let woman do what they want with their bodys and not try and control them? until the umbilical cord is severed it is not a seperate entity from the mother... thereby it is an unwanted growth in the woman, the same as a malignant tumor, a malignant tumor is not something that could potentially hurt the woman but its something that can be removed if the person wants it so why not the baby? (and yes Im making a comparison between a baby and a tumor)

Marine Corps;80700 wrote:ok now my question to you is how is it that you think that birth control is fine but abortion isnt?)

im not saying that birth control is ok... it just bugs me when people abuse something... like getting 3 abortions in a row????

for example work places have had to place an extremly stricked sick leave policy... like for very sick day YOU MUST have a dr. notes. and they have to do this because other people treat the sick leave like regular days off... much like how people abuse abortion and treat like the pill.... thats is what bothers me... not nesssaraly the abortion its self, but the fact that this surgical posedure had become more blown out of proportion then it was to begin with because there are thos in the world who get an abortion every so often becasue they sleep around and so irresponsible..... and it does bother me that the baby will very possible be abused or stuck in foster home... but i also see abortion as a way out of you consequnce... sorta....

but the other thing is that i dont get how some women can just kill part of themselves like that... some people who have abortions become great parients for the pych ward....

hermione0457;80776 wrote:im not saying that birth control is ok... it just bugs me when people abuse something... like getting 3 abortions in a row????

for example work places have had to place an extremly stricked sick leave policy... like for very sick day YOU MUST have a dr. notes. and they have to do this because other people treat the sick leave like regular days off... much like how people abuse abortion and treat like the pill.... thats is what bothers me... not nesssaraly the abortion its self, but the fact that this surgical posedure had become more blown out of proportion then it was to begin with because there are thos in the world who get an abortion every so often becasue they sleep around and so irresponsible..... and it does bother me that the baby will very possible be abused or stuck in foster home... but i also see abortion as a way out of you consequnce... sorta....

but the other thing is that i dont get how some women can just kill part of themselves like that... some people who have abortions become great parients for the pych ward....
ok well referencing off of your work analogy (just an obsevation) if you have a low paying job, are a single person, are living from paycheck to paycheck, and you get pregnant then would you take the couple (about six, its usually required after you start to show) of months off and go into extremem debt, do a home birth because you cant afford the hospital birth or sedatives and then live the rest of your life trying to pay off everything you owe... or would you take all of your savings, get the abortion, look for a higher paying job just in case and then be all the better for it whether you have a new baby or not?

as for how women can kill part of themselves... its all part of evolution we will do whatever we can to stay alive and on top of the food chain just like a fox caught in a trap gnawing off its own leg to escape humans are programmed to do whatever it takes to survive and in todays world that something can include an abortion... one instinct against another and survival will win...