Gay Marriage?

right mike, why cant gays keep it to themselves? guess how women won the right to vote. they didnt keep it to themselves. they even protested infront of the white house. everyone has a voice, and if u dont let ur voice be heard, noone will hear ur plea. it's the only way they can go. why can't they be married in a government facility? (cuz i kno they wont want to be married in a church by a priest or w/e). and...with this christianity thing...if god really dislikes gays, i am not gonna be believe in god anymore. god is supposed to love all, he's supposed to be loving and unselfish. that's the god i know and known.

o and with the statistics...i passed the ap stats test with a 4. i can honestly say, stats is very very very very very inaccurate. because you can't take the stats of teh whole world or the nation or even the whole state. even if u do, what if they're lying? there are wayy too many factors taht can go way wrong adn mess things up. and ur stats about the gays having AIDS the most, armando is right on the money.

about your insult argument...wow that is weak lol. hey women have been hated all through out the history here are soem names : b***h, h*e, wench, c***, sl**, sooo much more that i don't want to share. by the way, christianity just full on smashes the female genders it's not even funny.

i've said this 1209581025 times and i'll say it again. i don't understand why we forbid two humans from doing something that is totally harmless to anyone out there. gays are humans, i meet some that are fun to hang out with, and some that are just too weird or mean. just like you and me.

AP_Work_R wrote:You're right. But what's wrong with supporting religion in school? It says not to establish the main religion but doesn't say that the government can't help the churches... By the way, doesn't the government help the churches too sometimes? Does that make the government go against the Constitution :confused:
To your first question: establishment of religion means giving it money. For example, the government pays for public schools. Therefore, by letting them get away with supporting one religion or even not all of them, the government is giving a religion money. This is unconstitutional. (Private schools are a different matter, which is why there are so many Catholic ones.)

To your second: The government is probably supporting these hypothetical churches in their capacity as charitable organizations, not as religious institutions. While this has been decided to be not against the Constitution, I personally am still against it.
AP_Work_R wrote:It's just that in my opinion (my opinion, don't get offended :D), it goes against family values. Even if I wasn't Christian, I'd still say it would go against family. Don't get offended again :cool:. Just saying what I think.
Don't get offended? When you tell an entire segment of the population that they can't have sex or declare their love for one another in a government-sanctioned fashion merely because you deem their lifestyle wrong, people will get offended. And you really shouldn't be surprised.

Erikvarho, you are super awesome.

Ok, alot to respond to.

The ACLU has worked to ban the expression of religion in public.

And these pro-gay groups are not being discriminated against. It has practially become illegal to discriminate against them or to ever say you disagree with them. At least it has for me. And added to this, you completely distorted what I said. These groups are arguing that our religion and morals should not be forced upon them and should not be included in their laws. Instead they say that theirs should. They geat angry and annoyed when they hear a religious statement or quote, they argue that it is an act of hate. But they do the same thing on a much greater sclae. Parades, posters, there's like a dozen holidays devoted to gay people and coming out. This IS shoving it down my throat. This IS forcing the idea on everyone, at least by their standards it is.

Mike200 wrote:Ok, alot to respond to.

The ACLU has worked to ban the expression of religion in public.

I'd like to see your sources, and not anything from FOX News, please.

Quote:And these pro-gay groups are not being discriminated against.

I didn't say pro-gay groups are being discriminated against, I said gays are. If you deny that there is widespread discrimination against gays, then you're just kidding yourself.

Quote:It has practially become illegal to discriminate against them or to ever say you disagree with them. At least it has for me.

So you're saying you want to discriminate against an entire group of people on the basis that they have consensual sex with other members of the same sex? That's a terrible thing to say. And "it's practically illegal to say you disagree with them"? What the hell? Since when? It's called free speech, nobodys gonna lock you up because you think that men shouldn't love other men.

Quote:And added to this, you completely distorted what I said. These groups are arguing that our religion and morals should not be forced upon them and should not be included in their laws. Instead they say that theirs should. They geat angry and annoyed when they hear a religious statement or quote, they argue that it is an act of hate.

They, they, they. Who is they? These evil "gay groups"? I've noticed that there is a suppression of religious expression especially around the holidays, but who says that's the work of homosexual organizations? And if quotes from the bible are used to justify discrimination against homosexuals (much like it used to be done to justify slavery, and mistreatment of blacks throughout history), then I would agree those are acts of hate. But nobody thinks that somebody reading from Mark 13:11 or whatever is an "act of hate".

Quote:But they do the same thing on a much greater sclae. Parades, posters, there's like a dozen holidays devoted to gay people and coming out. This IS shoving it down my throat. This IS forcing the idea on everyone, at least by their standards it is.

A dozen holidays devoted to gay people? Sure thing buddy. But, like I said before, they only need these things because it needs to be brought to people attentions that these are normal people who just happen to have different sexual tastes, that they don't deserve the hatred some ridiculous extremists insist is justified.

I love how you can completely disregard how poorly gays are treated in this country, which you're not doing a whole to help, and manage to victimize yourself. That's pretty low.

THANK YOU! Finally someone had the sense to actually tell it how it is. I liked the little quip about FOX. Mike200? I'm not here to "force" anything down your throat. I'm just sick and tired of everyone trying to force stuff down MY throat, and then when I try to debate what they're saying, their narrow little claustrophobic minds immediately think I'm threatening them with my "gayness". Please try to see this with a broader sense of understanding.

just a thought: some people are so opposed to others expressing religious acts in public. some people are so opposed to others expressing homosexuality in public.

...so how come christmas is so very accepted by so many people (some who don't even know where christmas originated from), but those same many people do not accept homosexuality?

religion or homosexuality, they should be accepted and treated as a matter of personal opinions and preferences to American life which embraces freedom for all.

Minifan501 wrote:I'm just sick and tired of everyone trying to force stuff down MY throat

You are gay, correct? You probably could've worded that better. ;)

Quote:...so how come christmas is so very accepted by so many people (some who don't even know where christmas originated from), but those same many people do not accept homosexuality?
Two COMPLETELY different things...

Quote:I'm just sick and tired of everyone trying to force stuff down MY throat
No pun intended, or so I hope...

Armando wrote:No pun intended, or so I hope...

Nice try, beat ya to it. :cool:

Mike200 wrote:The ACLU has worked to ban the expression of religion in public.

And these pro-gay groups are not being discriminated against. It has practially become illegal to discriminate against them or to ever say you disagree with them. At least it has for me. And added to this, you completely distorted what I said. These groups are arguing that our religion and morals should not be forced upon them and should not be included in their laws. Instead they say that theirs should. They geat angry and annoyed when they hear a religious statement or quote, they argue that it is an act of hate. But they do the same thing on a much greater sclae. Parades, posters, there's like a dozen holidays devoted to gay people and coming out. This IS shoving it down my throat. This IS forcing the idea on everyone, at least by their standards it is.

1) The ACLU thing, I'm completely with erikvarho here. I need some proof that's not from FOX or a similar source. Why people quote from there is beyond me anyways.

2) How do you reason that it's "practically illegal to discriminate against them"?

3) I'm curious about these holidays. I haven't heard any mention of them.

4) Again, I think that you're taking your own situation and projecting in on a national scale. Like I said, there are no posters or groups or demonstrations here. The only thing I've heard of is the parade.

5) And about the parade. They have fought against discrimination and I think that they can have one if they want one. They aren't the only group who walks for a cause, or have you never heard of the million man march? How about the walk from Selma to Montgomery? They walk to promote tolerance, not to force their opinions upon you. And guess what? If you don't like it, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WATCH IT!!!!! You can skip town for the day, or get this...Change the channel on your TV, it's not that hard.

6) Posters. You don't have to read those either. You can do what most people do and simply IGNORE them. Even if there's someone handing out fliers and talking about it, simply walk past. Seriously, I highly doubt that they're cornering you and forcing you to listen to what they've got to say.

7) What is your definition of american ideals? See, I was kinda under the impression it was equal opportunity and similar concepts...

8) EVERYONE?