Gay Marriage?

Quote:Marraige is a religiously fueled institution and in that religion clearly between a man and a woman.

^ based on what religion?

Wow I'm missed alot while I was gone so allow me to catch up.

Oh yes the religions marriage is based off of includes: Caltholicism, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam I'm not sure if that's it however Buddism may also be one but I'm not familiar with it enough to know.

First of all let me say, pionagirl I was in no way saying that gay/lesbian people could not love I wasn't even talking about that. What I was saying was that marriage has been degraded to an extreme degree already. Some of those degrading factors were the high divorce rates and sex before marriage. So why would we want to degrade marriage further by completely ripping up it's foundation/defination.
Also the trend of high divorce rates will never "settle down" they will only increase. If you disagree show me the evidence of why you think that.

To Splintered Light: I agree with you on hundred percent, because once we cross that threshold of allowing gay/lesbian marriage, that foundation I was talking about earlier will have been ripped to pieces and along with it society's morals pretaining to inter family marriage. I think your describtion of the post-gay/lesbian marriage change is acurate.

To pianogirl again: once we do start getting those children with strange genetic codes well, they will still be able to reproduce and they will and their children will have genetic disorders to and the cycle will continue...

Anyhow, also if we legaly accept gay/lesbian marriage we have to accept marriage between all who wish to be married. That means between lets say a boy and a man, or a 14 year-old girl and a thirty year old or even a woman and her dog, oh and we can't forget we'd have to let multiple people get married too so polygamy would have to be accepted.

Also several people have mentioned the amount of time gay/lesbian couples can stay together and how they work so hard to stay together... well what about the heterosexual couples who go through the same thing? It's true guys a man and a women who are together for a long time can have problems oh and they can even have contraversy and people who didn't wnat them to be together. Oh my who would have thought...
My point is hard times and opposition can come to any relationship and gay/lesbian couples are not going to get a reward just because they have been together for a long time, and neither are regular couples.

In closing ladies and gentlemen my point today is that allowing gay marriage would be opening a can of worms. Let me repeat myslef because no one responded when I mentioned this point before. If we say that all laws based in religion need to be revised (oh yeah marriage is a law based in religion), and we go ahead and kill a law that's based in relgion ( like making gay marriage legal), then we'd have to start killing all the laws based in relgion to allow for a truely free America. So that means polygamy would have to be accepted oh and prostitution and capital punishment. The major complaint angainst capitol punishment to my understanding has been that we can not play God by killing people for their sins, but if don't believe in God then what's to stop us. The same principle applies to prositution. Some are againts prostitution becasue it's fornication, but if we don't believe in that God that said fornication is wrong then whats to stop us from prostitution? And again if we legalize gay/lesbian marriage, whats to stop us from letting anyone get marries like a dog and a woman, brothers and sisters, boys and men, multiple poepl, a son and his mother?

If the people could choose (which the people SHOULD choose), would most people oppose it? Also, since we have the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, does the government, or the president, have the right to say otherwise? And if gay marriage is made legal in the United States, then why won't incest be made legal. They also want to be legally married (personally I don't care who gets married to whom, but it's always fun to help people think differently).

I believe that homosexuallity is morally and spiritually wrong. No where in the bible does it say that marrige is anything but a spiritual union between an MALE and a FEMALE. Many of you will say that"you are impressing christianity upon our nation of the free" I got news for you: I don't need to. It's already here. We have the ten commandments outside a courthouse, you take oath on a bible, "In GOD we trust"is on our money. I see no reason why if we use some of the basic christian principals to govern this great nation of ours that we can't use them on some of the more pressing issues in the world. :)

Many people say that there is no reason to not allow gay marriage. This statement has been used previously in so many pro-gay marriage arguements and discussions. In my opinion ,however, this is a childish comment made only by the ignorant. The real question is, "Why allow gay marriage?". There is no purpose to it. Marriage is the union between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation. By allowing gay marriage we would essentially be destroying the purpose of marriage. If a man and a man or a woman and a woman were meant to be together the human anatomy would be completely different. Gay marriage is like seltzer flavored toilet water. There is no point to it and it is just a waste.

Many say that as long as two people love each other, they should have the right to be married, regardless of gender. But this philosophy is flawed in many ways. I am a boy and I love my brother, I love my father, I love my friends, etc. I'm not going to marry them though.

If we allow gay marriage today who is to stop the further desecration of marriage in the years to come. Today it could only be gay marriage and not seem like a big deal. Tomorrow, however, a group 3 or more people will want to get married, a man and his dog will want to get married, and boy and his television set may want to get married and nothing will be left to preserve marriage.

Homosexuality is forbidden by the three major religions of the world, it is directly responsible for the rapid spread of the worldwide epidemic of AIDS, and now it seeks to destroy one of the most sacred institutions of the human race.

Quote:No where in the bible
note. this has NOTHING TO DO WITH (heh or should not have anything to do with) THE BIBLE. this has to do with the United States of America and what GOVERNMENT should rule. our country is not ruled simply by the bible.

Quote:Marriage is the union between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation.
oh dear, i hope it's not just for the purpose of procreation. i mean, there also could be hm..oh i dunno. LOVE involved in a marriage? heh.

Quote:I see no reason why if we use some of the basic christian principals to govern this great nation of ours that we can't use them on some of the more pressing issues in the world

^ oh i dunno maybe because we're not all christian so perhaps maybe some of us would oppose that? And to the fact that there are 10 commandments outside of a courthouse, wasn't that (and correct me if i'm wrong) a supreme court case?...

Quote:it is directly responsible for the rapid spread of the worldwide epidemic of AIDS
heh, um...where have you been? it is definitely NOT directly responsible for rapid spread of worldwide epidemic of AIDS...nowadays? it's caused by unprotected sex. NOT by gay couples. that was a common belief in the 70s...NOT NOW.

and as for loving your brother, your father, and your friends, COMPLETELY different type of love, am i right?

I'm sorry if i'm ranting it's just that, how can we say that it's fine for a marriage to be a union between a man and a woman who will marry for an hour only to get it annulled and then find it unreasonable for a homosexual couple to marry even though they have been living together for 20 years? Heh, i dont' know if this is in the bible somewhere but shouldn't the marriage last for at least an hour?...perhaps maybe even a year?

Quote:heh, um...where have you been? it is definitely NOT directly responsible for rapid spread of worldwide epidemic of AIDS...nowadays? it's caused by unprotected sex. NOT by gay couples. that was a common belief in the 70s...NOT NOW.

That's today. It has been proven that it spead mostly among gay couples. They gave it the jumpstart it needed.

Quote: and as for loving your brother, your father, and your friends, COMPLETELY different type of love, am i right?
For your family yes. For your friends no.

Quote: oh dear, i hope it's not just for the purpose of procreation. i mean, there also could be hm..oh i dunno. LOVE involved in a marriage? heh.
Sure, that and committment. But, what's the point if the marriage has no value in this sense.

Quote: note. this has NOTHING TO DO WITH (heh or should not have anything to do with) THE BIBLE. this has to do with the United States of America and what GOVERNMENT should rule. our country is not ruled simply by the bible.
I don't think you realize that this country was founded becaus eof religion and founded on religious priniciples. I do not agree that religion should be included in laws but I would like to point out that seperation of Church and State is no where in the constitution. In fact many of the framers had agreed that the constitution was created only for a moral, religious people.

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^ oh i dunno maybe because we're not all christian so perhaps maybe some of us would oppose that? And to the fact that there are 10 commandments outside of a courthouse, wasn't that (and correct me if i'm wrong) a supreme court case?
I think the real reason why they removed the ten commandments from the courthouse was because you can't have things saying not to steal or lie in a building full of politicians and lawyers. It creates a hostile work environment.

Not to butt in to an argument that's obviously been going on for a while, but some of you don't seem to know what you're talking about. (No offense :-P) Anyway, most of you arguing for homosexual marriages seem to be under the impression that there is a seperation of church and state written somewhere as a law. There isn't. Plain and simple, this country was founded on Christianity, and that's where many of our oldest laws come from. Sure, this isn't an issue about religion, but the marriage law is based on religion (and, of course, procreation.) As for the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" argument, that isn't exactly accurate. Jefferson only changed the wording from "property" to "happiness" because he didn't want it to be exactly what the British said. I've got to agree with Mike200's analysis of why the ten commandments are outside of the courthouse. That's like telling them not to do their job. :-P

Quote:That's today. It has been proven that it spead mostly among gay couples. They gave it the jumpstart it needed.
Heh, only not...because now the probably the leading cause (don't quote me on that) is because in Africa a lot of rumors have been spread about how to get rid of aids and such. And the rumors aren't about homosexual couples having intercourse.

Quote:Sure, that and committment. But, what's the point if the marriage has no value in this sense.
perhaps because homosexual couples want to express their love for each other, the same way that some couples marry. hey, you get married in old age when you can't procreate. they want to express their love and commitment. why can't homosexual couples have the same?

Quote:I think the real reason why they removed the ten commandments from the courthouse was because you can't have things saying not to steal or lie in a building full of politicians and lawyers. It creates a hostile work environment.

err, nah, i'm pretty sure it was because it was of some religious thing.

and as for separation of church and state IT DOES EXIST gosh darnit. look at other post boards lol. seriously though. if there was no separation between church and state, half of the supreme court cases probably should be overruled.

I think we're getting a bit off topic anyways. Isn't this an unlawful grouping of people - against somethign like..the 14th ammendment? I don't know, why can't homosexual people have the same rights as heterosexual people? Why can't they have the same choices? because it goes against certain religions? Somehow that seems unjust. Oh, and i'd like to point out..no one has adressed the britney spears argument? heh. perhaps because it's a disgrace to see that couples are allowed to make a joke out of marriage and then gay couples probably wouldn't.

As for seperation of church and state IT DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Ummm....as far as I know, being against an issue like this isn't illegal. Actually, it is legal....although I'd give up the right to group against an issue like this to outlaw groups like the KKK....