Abortion rights

I think that abortion is murder, but only after a certain point. I also think that forcing a woman to carry a child is a horrible form of slavery. Some might argue, but what if the woman were careless or had changed her mind past her third trimester? I reply that the condom might have broken, she could have been raped, or the baby might have crie du chant (or however you spell it) or klinefelter's syndrome and it would be unwise to birth the baby.

Abortion is a right to those who deserve it. I admit that all women aren't saints, but there cannot be a cut-and-dry law for all of this, because it depends upon the nature of the baby's conception, and indeed upon the baby itself.

What really grates upon me is this: what right do men have that they purport any control over this? It doesn't affect their lives to nearly the extent that it does the women's. They do not carry children, so how come they can tell us how to carry ours? Do they know better? Can women not see the forest for the trees and need an outside opinion? Male control over a female body when it comes to intercourse and children is slavery of the worst kind. Finally, "abstinence" still doesn't plan against rape or the failure of birth control.

Sorry, I know the last paragraph was insulting and unhelpful. This is one of the few issues I feel indignant about! Suffice to say that I think that we can't have a law strictly banning or allowing abortion; this would be more along the lines of a case needing a judge's attention to weigh the effects on both creatures' lives. Mincing facts over exacting laws won't get us anywhere quickly.

Armando wrote:That is 150% wrong. The sex of the zygote is NOT decided at conception. The morula stage does not have a sex, the sex does not present itself until much later in the development stage. We aren't cold-blooded animals...

150% percent wrong?

Maybe you should review your math as well as your biology.

Gender is decided by the XX/XY chromosome, which comes in to play as soon as the egg is fertilized.

I told you before, the doctors who led to fight to legalize abortion believed that life began at conception. Just because the unborn child cannot undergo all life processes, doesn't mean it isn't alive. A three year old cannot undergo all life processes but he/she is alive.

Why should a mother have the right to murder her child because it is an inconvenience to her to keep it?

Ronald Reagan once said "Abortion is only advocated by those who have been born themselves." And this is true. How can anyone support it unless they haven'y been born and have undergone abortion themselves?

Quote:Gender is decided by the XX/XY chromosome, which comes in to play as soon as the egg is fertilized.

So tell me then, why don't mothers find out the sex of their baby until months after conception?

I'm rather interested to know the answer.

Quote:haha, thank you. THat was what was bothering me earlier on..and why i was asking who was a male on this board. In any case, as a female, how can you males take AWAY my choice to have an abortion, will YOU in fact EVER carry a baby?

And why must you attack what males have to say. Do females not support/oppose abortion as well? Why must you take that attitude? Because the problem applies to women does not mean than men do not have any say or jurisdiction upon it. They do, just like women do. We all have the right to express what we think fo the issue, be a man or a woman.

But you make it seem like we are out to get you (women) and say "No, you cannot abort" or "You HAVE to abort".

It's not like men decided it by themselves.

my friend just recently told me of a case in Florida where a 13 year old was pregnant and the she was a foster child. and of course florida judge ruled that she cannot have an abortion. ok..guys and girls..let's think about this one...put aside your religious views and possibly your propaganda stuff. the girl is 13. she is a foster child. now she will be forced to give birth and raise a baby...(or give it to adopt..different story tho) anyways, a research done by Berkeley showed that if a child is born from situations as such as this, the child's life will most likely turn out depressing. and i am sure it is very dangerous for the thirteen year old to give birth also. you're basically jeopardizing two lives here. i am prochoice on the abortion, because noone, not even a Creator has rule over a woman's body. oh, and someone said that people should not be engaging in intercourse before marriage...not all of us are christians or belong to a religion. also, it is by human nature to engage in intercourse.

edit: im a guy lol

Let me ask you this question: Whose fault is it that she is pregnant?

Both the man and the womans. It's called sex.